My questions is- the only reason Loki is at the fathers house is because hes investigating level 3 sex offenders. Physical imprisonment: Holly keeping the two girls (then Keller) captive. Holly Marie is alive and well and living in Oklahoma, after a family adopted her as a baby. I believe that Loki will save Keller. and if so, I guess its just coincidence that Hollys husband had a maze around his neck and that they left mazes in the locked room? Replace the fridge with the old car. If you want to get the full picture of the story, you have to unite the fragments. I just finished watching the movie and was looking for an explanation, and this is just amazing, thank you for your analysis and thanks for all the comments, what an incredible movie. Kind of like when he lifts the dog. Awesome article Chris and I love that youre still replying to people after all this time! Not everything is clever or meaningful. To find an inmate, please enter the name OR the ID number, and then click the SEARCH button. I can see him being pretty off-grid. I must say, I stumbled on to your site because of Prisoners but I really like what youre doing here as a whole! Before you trash this post, and think Im a nut case, please view the first 5 minuets of my video. In 2012, CSP-SAC was the first institution in California to achieve American Correctional Association accreditation with 98.6 percent score. Which creates that idea of the loop. How do you know the Birchs house is Alexs old house? Hes only reacting to the abduction because it reminds him of his own and he starts to copycat, reliving the nightmare of what he experienced with Holly and her husband. I hesitate though because Bob was out of the house and living on his own. Its a really great movie. The central story of Prisoners revolves around the investigation of two missing girls, Anna and Joy, led by Detective Loki. But so many people missed this concept that Kendrick actually released a special edition of the album that was reverse chronological order. Reporter: Heather Hiscox, from The National, December 19 and Canada Now, December 19-23, 2003. One has the last name Dover. And was the name given by the Romans to Dover, England, according to DoverHistorian.com. The other maze to be found would be that; Holly drugs her victims with a concoction that may have LSD or similarthe fbi book refers to this and she does as well, when talking to and then forcing Keller to drink. Let me know how the re-watch goes! The book would lack meaning because it lacked any and all context. By leaving that choice in our hands, the film becomes a moment of reflection, of confrontation. And the hidden basement with the hole in the ground. Then took them back to Holly. Theres one thing not mentioned that I cant shrug off. The main story of Prisoners is the kidnapping of two young girls. Why does Alex say I waited but he never came? Avatar is kind of similar. The captor is seen in one of the last scenes attempting to inject the child with a drug most likely heroin or morphine as Grace is seen frothing at the mouth as she is driven to the hospital by Loki. So are such small things as duct tape over someones mouth. Then you will see that what Im saying is absolutely true. So we have two very Christian characters in Keller and Grace who are dependent on Loki, a character symbolizing non-Christian religions. Which can work for some, but not for everyone. Their pain turns to anger at God, as such tragedy must have been His will. I thought it was. Now these parents have a son that kidnaps/molests/drugs/kills little kids. And how could he know where the girls lived in the first place? Great minds, Jasper. We know hes still traumatized by what happened but not that hes necessarily still in contact with Holly or does Hollys bidding. Im usually pretty pedantic about things like this. Even though you assume thats whats probably going to happen, I like that theres a small chance that hes not going to get him out of there for whatever reason.. But also the idea of the maze itself and of trauma, this infinite thing. Prisoners never shows us the abduction or has someone explain outright what happened. I am bothered by the fact that there were no traces at all of the two girls found in the camper van, although they have been abducted in that van! Lights: Buildings usually have power broken into sections. Hundreds of Oklahoma inmates left prison Monday before their original sentences were over. Excellent analysis! And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have . Theres Amy Adamss character going about her life in the present day. But its also a clue from the filmmaker to treat the movie as a maze. Just one question: how come the parents recognised their daughters clothes at the police station but didnt realise that they were not the ones the girls wore when they disappeared? He was the guy with boyish good. The last shot of the movie is Loki, at night, hearing a faint whistle. What if he was like the sex offender priest, who thought no one would believe him if he spoke out, so the priest thought that only HE could stop Hollys husband the way that he did! The soul. Did anyone watch the movie? My question is when Loki found Keller tortureing Alex, why wasnt he taken to the police station? When I re-watch the movie again Ill keep that in mind and see how I feel about it. Occupation: Executive director, YWCA of Asheville. Why it happened? July 10, 2021 Investigation Discovery's 'The Lake Erie Murders: Blood in the Water' chronicles the brutal killing of 10-year-old Holly Jones in Ontario, Canada. Toronto (AP)-On Friday, June 20th Toronto Police arrested Michael Briere, a 35 year old software developer, for the horrific murder of 10 year old Holly Jones. Demonstrated history of leadership in Human Resources Strategy, Employee Relations . one question. Despite her knowing all this, remembering all of this, what does she express? The lights in the derelict apartment apparently dont work but plug-in job lights do, OK. Why does no one ever check a door handle before breaking it down or crawling through a window? But his job is not straightforward as Keller, Anna's father is restless in the pursuit of his daughter and kickstarts his own investigation into her disappearance. Yeah, holding back the last part of the prayer is a huge moment. Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. I also have a question. So Alex wanted to meet he again and played the game. They were scared enough to shut down and didnt move much/touch much until Alex dropped them off. The simplest answer is just Theyre in shock and that makes memory difficult. Because its actually something the girls had, how else would it get there? It requires the work of both men to save the girls. He is told a third of that should do for a man of your size and that it is her husbands old secret recipe. Its too easy to say Oh, well, they were completely messed up because of their own abductions when they were kids! And as you said yourself the whole plot development depends a bit too much on the fact that neither Alex nor Taylor are willing to talk about their experiences. How does one start to put into words something thats as cosmically horrific as being stolen and everything that follows? No one acts exactly as they or we expect or hope they will act because they are human and humans make things complicated and maybe because we are complicated (physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual beings) and when anything confronts us in these realms they just dont happen to us, we have to navigate through them and we can easily get lost! Otherwise, you should close this page and view another page. In Joys flashback theres a note saying to complete all the mazes in the book. Because Holly and her husband seemed to be active, external types, they dont internalize their pain, but externalize it! But it does seem like its probably one of those oversights they hope we dont focus on too much haha. Instead, it gives you a pile of puzzle pieces. I thought that Alex and Bob had kidnapped the girls and Bob had left Alex to take the fall. I expect to be returning to this site again. I watched it a few years later and now 2021, the movie was on my Netflix suggestions pool, I was half in for watching it and I didnt.. woke up today and first thing was to figure out the story. Thus, we know how long he was there. Im only 13 minutes in right now, but it is interesting! I also dont think the weapon was visible. But, at this point, you know better than to think its coincidence, right? She was there less than a week. Of any filmmaker ever, hes the biggest beneficiary of audiences not caring about little infuriating logic inconsistencies. In a sense, this is what Holly Jones and her husband carries on tooby killing children. Great minds. Youre absolutely right. Holly eventually admits to Keller she cant really abduct kids without her husband so hasnt been as active. Keeping the source of these character names in mind, if you re-watch Prisoners you definitely pick up on some thematic subtext involving religion. If you consider the lessons a child would learn, being taken, taught to never speak up, an abandonment of all hope & good in the world. Rather than the cast elevating in their own way. Its a German version of cellar. Meaning basement, store room. The notion of a prison recurs so often. Regarding Christianity, we hear the Lords Prayer. This kind of internal instructional clue is something that didnt really exist until the 20th century and the rise of modernism and post-modernism. Ok, thanks for the response. I love the part where Keller sits next to Alex torture cell and cant finish his prayer at the sentence: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, he holds back the last part, breaking at as we. That unmerited favor that we cannot predict or control. In Christianity, water is a major theme, playing a vital role in baptism and the idea of purity. 69K views 2 years ago In Pennsylvania, Keller Dover, his wife Grace, son Ralph, and daughter Anna celebrate Thanksgiving with their friends Franklin and Nancy Birch, and their daughters Eliza and. Thank you! It would add some nuance to Dovers backstory. He responds by shooting her in the head, killing the kidnapper for good. The Bob Taylor detail was one I didnt include in why response. A funny example is Kendrick Lamars 2017 album, Damn. Compare this to other crime thrillers like Silence of the Lambs or Seven or Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. Loved your summary and analysis! Theres an FBI book about a serial abductor who was obsessed with mazes. We only know that from Kellers dream, right? I wanted to just add one thing! And seems to have no one to talk to about what happened. Thanks. You might think thats the end of it. When Keller left the hospital, he went to Hollys house. It made me wonder if he also was carrying around some past trauma. Holly bedroht ihn jedoch mit einer Waffe und sperrt ihn in ein unterirdisches Loch . To the point where it becomes undeniable that one theme of Us is the cultural state of America. Alex and Keller will probably go to jail. Thank you! When we were shooting, we did shoot a version where it goes a little beyond where the fade out is. I dont think theres a definitive answer. I think this movie is getting a second life on Netflix, and I just watched it. I believe that Loki will find and rescue Keller because: 1. Kellers faith in preparation creates a chain of events that causes his daughter to leave a whistle in the hole in Hollys yard. My question is, why didnt he just tell the detective everything right then! Let me know if you have thoughts. What ending do we choose? Thanks for the thoughts. This movie is deeply moving and having this info you provided helps me get why I felt this intense sense of spirituality behind the movie but couldnt quite put my finger on it. Someone who seems like the kidnapper but isnt the killer broke into both our homes and took our kids clothes. Especially after Loki pretty much blew off Graces report about someone coming into their house. Experienced Human Resources professional with a Law Degree focused on Labor & Employment Law coursework. But then midway through the movie, Keller Dover kidnaps Alex Jones and keeps Alex prisoner. I like it much better being ambiguous. Christianity ties itself to notions of faith and Gods grace. Everything is action, action, action. Three things that we see come up again and again throughout the film. Finally, when Lokis at Hollys house, suspicious because he thinks Keller might be there and might have done something awful, he sees the picture in the bedroom. At first, we might think it applies to the abduction of Joy and Anna. Glad that came through for you! Rather than face the sobering realization that she may have left the protection of her family entirely on her husbands shoulders ( according to the screenplay, she drank wine and was tipsy at the Thanksgiving get-together, but he just drank milk), she would rather sleep because she loves her children and husband deeply and gladly serves what he prepares in the more safe and secure world that he is trying to create for themso its complicated. I noticed this strange bit of dialogue from Loki: You know IF YOU KNOW something I thought this was the whole reason behind Keller being obsessed with preparing for the worst, that his dad had been facing something he was unable to cope with and killed himself as his only way out of that situation. With all the opportunity to gush to the police about what happenedhe stays silent. Lokis neck is a badgeso along with your hypothesishis god is justice/prison. If that was the case, Alexs They didnt cry until I left them wouldnt be meaningful or even logical. I imagine it would have taken some time to make the connection to Hollys husband, if it was ever possible to do so. Prisoners is a 2013 American thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve from a screenplay written by Aaron Guzikowski. When I think of mazes, I think of complications. That really ties it all together, doesnt it? Alex knows where the children are, but if he wants his Aunt in jail, and therefore stopped for good, he cant tellso its complicated. Thats the only way he can communicate to Loki where the girls might be, what happened to him, etc. Blessings. 303 East Church Street Post Office Box 69 919-894-3616 919-894-2091 . Except there was no Alex. Unbeknownst to him, Joy and Anna are in another room and Joy sees him/hears him. Less than a week I believe. Holly could have been in the van. Sit in a roadway: I dont think he necessarily minded Keller seeing him. Obsessively drawing mazes on the walls because he cant stop reading an FBI agents book about the mysterious child abductor, known as the Invisible Man, who was never caught (and who was actually Holly and her husband). Cant remember. They dont explain it outright, but its inferred that Alexs real name had been Barry Coyler and that he had grown up in the house that the RV was parked in front of. Are they divine or circumstantial? Im sorry I just saw this. Blaming God for not saving him, they "waged a war with God" and sought to make others feel their pain. Alex/Barry's caretaker She was portrayed by Melissa Leo, who also playedSally in Oblivion. That idea is expressed in Robert Frosts Birches and also the Blackfoot myth Why the Birch Tree Wears the Slashes in Its Bark. Kendricks dad had always given Top Dawg extra biscuits on the house. Top Holly Jones Prisoners Quotes As long as there is poverty in this world, no man can be totally rich even if he has a billion dollars. Alex reunited with parents??? Can you explain the girls flashback when she sees Keller? Even without dogs, in all the time spent around the aunts house no one noticed there were tracks behind an old supposedly non-functioning car? This really helped me make sense of what I found a disturbing and confusing film. And since I am German, I really liked that you noticed that Keller is a Geman word which is cellar in English ? Additionally, this would explain the necklace. Maybe out of fear? I want to watch the film again. I think thats where I would start if I was going to write about the specific meaning of the snakes. Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! I loved the movie and really appreciate you breaking it down like that. In that time he created a body of work that changed popular music forever and influenced almost every great rock and roll artist to follow him. Holly preceded to do crazy Holly things. Not sure though) and it came out before Holly and her husband started the abductions. 101 Market Street 252-448-7091 ext 222 . That kind of foreshadowing is done for a reason. Hi Yuen, Loki goes to the Jones's house to tell her that her nephew has been found. The man who pleaded guilty to murdering 10-year-old Holly Jones at a Toronto court Thursday morning fulfilled his "dark secret" when he abducted, sexually assaulted, and dismembered her shortly. Thank you very much for writing this I came here trying to find something about the prominence of trees in the movie, because I noticed them but could not really figure it out. Thats why Keller being a carpenter, just like Jesus was, cant be a coincidence, I think. Keller will take matters into his own hands too! Tired of all the brainwashed/braindead people out thereneed to know there are people out there figuring this out like RFK jr. Takes them both to work out the solution. A normal person probably doesnt run off like that. We saw him hurt the dog. Grace originated, as a word, in France in the 1200s and soon after had a firm association with Christianity and the idea of virtue and receiving the favor of God. It just points at a larger abandonment issue Alex has. Three years later, as he was serving a 23-year prison sentence at the United States Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., Jones failed to report for a prison check after working in a . Snakes also as in snakes and ladders. But, yeah, seems to be one of those suspension of disbelief things that has become implicit to the whole artistic form. You start the movie in a place of ignorance but end with a sense of superiority in understanding the who, what, when, how, and why. Its full of images relating to Christian iconography and references. So yes, the maze stuff in Prisoners is part of the basic plot. Thanks. In Latin, Dubris meant waters. And staring the person down is kind of a legitimate tactic. His profession being the same as that of Jesus, and the movie opening with Kellers devout prayer, also creates the false sense that Keller will be the good in the film. Mazes end up being a bigger deal than youd probably expect. Even though Taylor lives somewhere else, it seems all he thinks about is Holly and her husband. he was there he visited Hollys home before he realized she was the kidnapper he said he was there to apologize for scaring off Alex and he came in and they talked but he left when he saw the paper saying that Bob killer himself. And we have a character named Loki. In Pennsylvania, Keller Dover, his wife Grace, son Ralph, and daughter Anna celebrate Thanksgiving with their friends Franklin and Nancy Birch, and their dau. Hello! People are complicated. Makes sense that he would have gotten this name from Holly and her husband. It doesnt matter that he was tortured. Some people will choose the hopeful outlook that being away from Holly means he has a chance at a decent future. I cant remember if he was listed above in the list of prisoners now but I was thinking Kellers Son Ralph is a prisoner too. Duct tape: I think were supposed to accept it lol. Right now, still leaning to it being Hollys deceased kid. We see from your examples (Alex telling Keller his girls cried after being interrogated, and his torture of the dog) that the abuse he has suffered has caused him to become capable of abuse himself. Im pretty sure it was Keller. While both of them wanted their revenge on god, Holly appeared to be a remorseless but practical vamp. 26 Jan 2023 14:55:21 TORONTO - Police in Toronto on Friday arrested a 35-year-old man and charged him in connection with the killing of 10-year-old Holly Jones. Nothing more than chilling fragments. Regarding the above comments, I recall the detectives discussing the results of forensics on the body in the priests hole. But 5 years ago, he was missing. Door handle: Loki checks handles a couple times. Did Hollys husband have more dirt on the priest that could have gotten him in more trouble? How do you create a plot with supposed depth and cleverness and use so many ridiculous elements? Its less than a week? Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. Will Franklin and his wife have to testify against Keller for amnesty, because they were part of Alexs torture too. Why does a seasoned police officer with no unsolved cases stare at a suspect to the point of spooking him, or sit in a roadway blocking traffic until he draws attention himself? my city inspector wasatch county; latch board of directors; most annoying sound in the world hippo; quebec flood zone map 2019; the villa restaurant bishops stortford menu; holly jones prisoners. He would not have known where to find the stuff. Alex just took the girls for a ride, and Holly decided to abduct them. As Villeneuve says, the trees are linked with the idea of necessary violence If you look at that in the sense that trees are chopped down to build homes, there is a sense that this violence against nature is necessary to provide shelter and comfort. The Ministry of Justice said 2.02 per day is spent on . According to WHNT-TV, 37-year-old Holly Debord pleaded guilty in July to the charges stemming from an incident in 2020. Which really is a question for us. Denis Villeneuve's "Prisoners" does not go that route. Thank you for explaining this! Whatever segment of their brain that allowed them to not think about his disappearance their entire living day cannot ever be altered or returned. Also isnt the name Keller, too close to killer? The question is will he put it all together and solve the puzzle? Or Fight Club deals with the mind and the opening credits occur while the camera travels through the main characters brain and out a poor of their forehead. Why couldnt Loki identify the dead body as that of Hollys husband? Again, I appreciate your review. But her husband was more complicated. Mark Bridger, the former abattoir worker jailed for the sexually motivated murder of five-year-old April Jones, has been attacked in prison. View the profiles of people named Holly Jones. This is purposefully meta, as midway through the film the motif of the maze is introduced. Prisoners is about spirituality and the complicated nature we have with spirituality. If you are going to edit a lot, then make yourself a user and login. Or implied that he drove on his own just fine. This would be how they have the image of the maze. Almost a hundred years later, it can be pretty seamless. After being released from prison in 2012, Ms. Deane-Jones was given a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder and is now employed as an Uber driver. With his English language debut, Villeneuve created a story layered with suspense, thrill, and excitement. Seem to climb to make headway and then slide down again but eventually someone wins the game each time played unless game abandoned. They are thinking about him, his lost life, and the lives of all the kids (two right down the street) that he devastated. Or will Keller die in the hole Holly Jones had left him in? At their first encounter, in the parking lot of the police station, Alex toys with Keller, much like he did the dog, by saying, They didnt cry until I left them. He knew what he was doing. So its unlikely she suddenly appeared and seized the girls. Because of that, theyve tortured other families to cause a similar crisis of faith and turn more people against God. Prisoners Inmate Search. But how in the world would a jury ever find this guy guilty of anything when he saves two kids, finds/stops the biggest kidnapping ring in the country, after the police basically screwed up bad. I think of it as a cry for help by the way he looked at the officer behind the desk. moment. Not saying it isnt annoying. The seemingly simple progress of the story is an artistic choice to create the sense of an itch you cant quite scratch, that theres more going on than you may have realized. Thats cool, thats interesting. And the movie deals a lot with the circle of life, the dawning of a new age, new beginnings, etc. The Central Mississippi Correctional Facility (CMCF) was established in 1986 and built on 171 acres in Pearl in Rankin County. (if that was what she was doing) And why did she do it so slowly? And while Alex may have initially had innocent intentions with Anna and Joy, to pretend he was a child again, free from the burden of his theft, he had to have known bringing them back to Holly wouldnt end well. Keller needs someone to find him and pull him out of that pit, but he also needs that whistle thats only down there because his daughter was down there because she got kidnapped looking for it, though he gave it to her for her rescue so many months or years ago. I could see something like him initially being reunited but then the DA drawing up charges later. Holly offers Keller tea, which would probably be drugged (we later see she kept a jar of drugged liquid in the fridge). . Holly Deane-Johns, 51, was subjected to the awful living conditions while serving time at Lardyao Women's Correctional Institution. 2.) I mean, maybe I did in terms of Keller and Jesus lol. I thought that Alex and Bob were weirder than they needed to be, and in their bizarreness, not real, and therefore, not anyone that I could mourn for, though what theyd been through was terrible. And I also found this thread by Chris by chance. I also appreciate how you still respond to comments after a year. On the surface, all of that just plays into the drama and mystery of a crime thriller. Other questions. Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. At one point her husband confessed his crimes to a local priest, out of a narcissistic boldness of feeling unable to get caught. While Lokis faith in following signs guides him right to the imprisoned Keller. My biggest take was that the ending sentiment wasnt believable. I imagine its a pretty isolating position as he has lost his sister to the kidnap, his mother to the grief, and his father to his own agenda. But, like the title, things arent always so simple. Records Dept. Hes a red herring that creates doubt about Alex. So his full name only reinforces the combination of religions. What makes Loki go there specifically? But his instinct, thoroughness, and curiosity get the better of him. Cheers, The doomsday preparation stuff does come back, kind of, with the whistle? Theyre kind of like ghost characters, director Denis Villeneuve said of the recurring motif of trees in the film; as we said earlier, like silent witnesses to the various violent crimes in the movie. Wow, that was so helpful. Another thing is the significance of showing the prepper mindset and taking everything in his own hand and his general lack of trust in higher authorities including police and perhaps even more broadly God, and how that changed when he was in the most helpless situation in what he prepared nothing for, and yet found that red whistle which will save his life. Alex says In the maze, and Bob simply draws it. And Loki literally arresting people with the intent of sending them to prison. These factors lead me to believe that the two girls, especially Anna, are potential abusers-to-be, because of their limited speech, the abuse they suffered, and the nature of inevitable violence in the cyclical maze, where abuse encourages more abuse.
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